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5:11 pm
June 4, 2010


rickdevoe

Nashville,Tn/Las Vegas, NV

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I agree with simplifying the plan/presentation where possible and with the logic of a targeted organizing effort in a given locale. These are secondary considerations, however, when contemplating the proposed exclusions of any critique of the existing banking and economic systems, coupled with the muting of the most central and dynamic element of the plan – creating local money! Why talk about anything if you don't want to talk about the problem and the solution?

Why are we sanitizing the message? Is it to appeal to a particular "demographic?" This reminds me of recommendations a political consultant would make to a candidate in order to appeal to "swing voters." The problem with that approach is, even if elected, the candidate will  not have secured a mandate for fundamental change because the decision was made not to talk about the critical issues. Apparently, Al Gore believes Global Warming is a big problem – if he had made it a cental issue of his campaign 10 yrs ago, win or lose, perhaps we would by now have a strong popular consensus to address it, which we do not.

In fairness to the consultants, who no doubt generally share the vision of all involved, the importance of the "creating local money" aspect of the project may not have been impressed upon them. In fact, in my experience with others involved, this seems to be the norm. The obstacle here is that an understanding of the true nature of money is very difficult for any of us to get a handle on. The great thing, though, is that the Common Good Bank model does  incorporate this knowledge – it is the very fuel that will power this extrordinary vehicle for change!

PROBLEM: Debt based monetary system controlled by economic elite appropriates the nation's wealth, money to service the common good is scarce.

SOLUTION: New debt free monetary system controlled democratically distributes the nation's wealth, money to service the common good is plentiful.

Part of the misunderstanding is likely do to the use of the word "local," which is an inapt term for what it is and what it does. In practice, the money we create will be the functional equivalent of a "national " currency for each community division and, if we are to maximize its potential , also the national currency of what could be considered a confederation of community divisions, who would trade first between themselves before exchanging with the "foreign" currency of the regular economy.  I think it is most helpfull to look at things from this perspective in order to comprehend the power of the tool  we hold in our hands. Our objective will be to build self-reliant community division economies that seek to facilitate ever greater local import replacement and thus gain independence from the general economy, which is dependent on scarce federal reserve notes. At the same time, by giving community divisions elsewhere a "most favored nation" trading status, we'll truly be building a national movement.

This is the thing that I think gets missed that is so critical: we can create and control perhaps 10 times the amount in new (local) money for every dollar we have on deposit. People don't realize this because they don't understand how banks create money in the first place. This is something we have to strive to overcome and, of course, the effort needs to begin  with those of us who are promoting the project.

So, first and foremost, it seems to me, is to establish clarity as to the essence of what we're offering. Then, be true to it. To me, we have developed the means to effect systemic change in the political and economic system. For any progressive minded person who's been looking for the "how to," this is it. The "means" are provided by two ideas: (1) the knowledge that money, by it's very nature (being only an accounting system) need not be scarce (2) software that enables automatic, seemless exchange of money we create with federal reserve notes, on demand.

So what do we need to do to accelerate the realization of our vision? Put the "mission" before the "bank" (after all, this is a mission with a bank, not the other way around) and activate the existing sign-ups and those who join from here on out, right away. There is no sense of urgency in the notion of being a "future depositor" and little sense of ownership. What we should do is go ahead and establish community divisions with their own mutual credit systems, functioning as much like we intend them to after the bank is chartered as possible. This could be done most readily utilizing a software platform like "XO Barter Systems,"  which would perform the dual function of facilitating trade between community divisions from the outset. We could employ the "democracy software" without delay. Participating in a mutual credit system would teach people about money through their actual experience of it (as an accounting system). To make this "local money" system attractive, we would probably want to devise and promote them as being an immediate way of supplementing one's income while advancing the project. This would truly be a way for people to become invested and to create and sustain the needed momemtum to actually become a "movement," and not just charter a bank.

This should not have the look and feel of just another green investment opportunity. It can be so much more. 

I have the utmost respect for everyone, especially William, who's helped bring Common Good Bank into being and who have been working hard on it.  One way or another, we'll get this done. I say "we" self-consciously because I have not contributed much yet personally, although I intend to.  This is obviously a pivotal juncture, so I've been impelled to state my critique of "the way forward" as plainly and forcefully as I'm able. I'm confident that it will be taken in the right spirit and that forthcoming decisions will be sound, regardless of whether my conceptions, criticisms or recommendations are deemed efficacious.

7:41 am
June 4, 2010


wspademan

Admin

posts 218

Post edited 7:43 am – June 4, 2010 by wspademan


J.W. Smith says (by email):

These [consultants] have studied it out carefully and are great assets to the project. Please take a read on the updated 170 word thesis. All infrastructure, all governments, and all essential services are fully funded, and, through full and equal rights and equal pay for equally-productive labor, every bank has become a community bank.
 
I finally found the quantification of unearned and unproductive finance capital. When it finally dawned on me that there was no such thing as honest capitalized value, I realized I had a subchapter essentially saying that in my first book 21 years ago and had said it over and over ever since in many ways. But I did not realize the elimination of capitalized value in an honest economy was total even though I had said it over and over.
 
All that remains is use-value and massive free time as wasted labor, over 50%, and wasted resources, 50%, are eliminated. What is so neat is that anyone and everyone can understand that simple, efficient, economy in 10 minutes. This means that in the same 10
minutes they see the frauds in the current system. Good luck.

An Understandable Full and Equal Rights Economy in 170 Words

http://www.ied.info/blog/1414/…..-170-words

7:09 pm
June 3, 2010


Robert Lester

Guest

These all sound like very sensible recommendations to me and I certainly agree with their spirit…simpler is almost always better.

12:39 pm
June 3, 2010


Bill Baue

Guest

Kudos to CGB for working with Doug and Kristen.

These recs look great — I particularly appreciate the professionalization of communication, and shaving down to the most essential goals — including launching locally first to prove the concept.

I agree w/Andy Laties about the wisdom of doing a stakeholder mapping / analysis.

Bill

11:32 am
June 3, 2010


kurt

Member

posts 6

Of the steps identified as “mov[ing]
the Common Good Bank project from a great idea to a FUNDED … idea”
only one seems to me really important: #5 Relocalize. Since
no momentum could be established with recruiting resources spread
thinly everywhere, this alternative focus is worth taking – not
only for its concentration, but also for its potential to reduce
cost. Later, local success can be the basis for spreading.

 

In terms of increasing donor and
participant support the local, community-centered, human-scale
features and emphasis are still going to be very important. Agreeing
with Mike Morton, to these people another faceless impersonal
corporation (recommendation #4 – formalize the presentation) is a
turn-off. It is partly for this kind of interaction where everyone
is on a first name basis that I moved from suburbia to deep rural.
For these people the recommendation #3 (simplify the presentation)
could be very useful. However, I consider making CGB “full-service”
an important marketing point – so that members (not “customers”)
can forget about globo-corp banking. From this perspective, nothing
is “unnecessary”; from the perspective of getting an
earlier implementation, some of the services could be delayed /
scheduled later.

 

Along the same lines, recommendation #1
could help clarify for donors and participants the expected CGB
mission and functions by separating out to S2BE the
discussions, philosophical and otherwise, involved in creating and
maintaining it. If the S2BE is not to be seen as a fraud then its
“membership” must be open to everyone who wishes to read and
participate. .

 

For enhancing investor support that is
where a focus group of stakeholders (Rec. #6) can help. For
investors a more formalized presentation (#4) may be needed –
according to their culture.

 

Kurt

10:50 am
June 3, 2010


Matt Mills

New Member

posts 1

I'm a relatively new person to the CGB concept, and have emailed William with lots of questions as I tried to understand how CGB works. In the end, my overwhelming impression was that CGB is such a good idea, and I want to help – but that there's just too much going on for us to be able to effectively take this to the masses. Money creation, local currencies, Fed policy, and currency exchange are too difficult to convey in the 2 minutes or so that someone might give you to explain the idea if it comes up in conversation. I completely support the idea of streamlining the message, and establishing a laser focus on opening a bank. Once we have that it changes everything – the other things can come as people become more engaged with the project, and interested in educating themselves about all the possibilities that a CGB offers down the road.

My wife and I spent a lot of time earlier this year looking for a bank we could feel good about placing our money in. We settled on Permaculture Credit Union and feel good about that, but I know if CGB had been an option we would have likely put a chunk of savings there as well (if not used it for checking and other services as well).

Once we get a bank I think it will be EASY to get depositors and grow the concept. The environment is RIPE for sustainable alternatives to the overwhelmingly corrupt and unjust banking system that exists in the world (just look at the 'move your money' project) – CGB is a great alternative for someone who wants to do something about that.

I am on board, and confident that this plan includes elements that will certainly move the project forward in a tangible way.

9:50 am
June 3, 2010


Mary Gravel

Guest

It sounds like the recommendation is to stream line the presentation. less information at the onset. makes sense in a getting out the word environment. Less is More. My only concern is not watering down what has made you feel so passionate about the project as I believe that drive is essential for it's success also.

 

9:38 am
June 3, 2010


Terry Mollner

Guest

Bill,

 

Thanks for this. I did not think you were going to do a loan fund, but was not clear from reading all below. Thanks. I like the plan.

 

So I once again like John's plan because all get their money back if the goal is not reached so it will be easy for people to put the money in. There is a clear ask. All the separation Doug and Kristen helped you with helps this. Local focus is also valuable to get easier commitment from people. Clean, direct, focused, clear goal, safety because people get their money back if goal not met, all first donors can get very excited about working to achieve goal.

 

Thanks.

Terry

9:22 am
June 3, 2010


wspademan

Admin

posts 218

Post edited 8:14 pm – June 5, 2010 by wspademan


Terry Mollner said:

I still do not know what capital is necessary to get a bank charter and it appears there is the assumption that it can be accomplished and I thought that was the big barrier that needed millions. I thought I was understanding the proposal to be to start a loan fund at first, to start, and then go to bank later, but not sure that was what I was reading.


 

Terry, to get a bank charter, all we need is a viable plan. That plan must include a plausible way to raise about $10 million in less than one year: $1.5 million from donations or from accredited investors (people who have a net worth of a million or more) only. The other $8 million+ can come from anyone. The 1.5 will be spent on pre-opening costs and is lost if the bank never opens. The other 8 will be held in escrow (at no risk) until the bank opens.

We have chosen to minimize the risk to accredited investors by raising the whole $10 million BEFORE applying for a charter. John's proposal would let us raise the 1.5, the 8+, and current organizational expenses all at the same time from each participant. The entire 1.5 would be raised as donations, so that the bank will open free and clear, with the value of its stock totally backed by an equivalent net worth.

We do not plan to start a loan fund separate from the bank, although we would be happy to collaborate with an existing loan fund. A bank is, by its nature, the best possible loan fund, because it creates the money that it lends. Starting a bank is what we need to do, so that is our focus.

8:51 am
June 3, 2010


Terry Mollner

Guest

All,

I strongly support the local focus. I like John's idea of getting 10,000 people committed in the way he describes. I still do not know what capital is necessary to get a bank charter and it appears there is the assumption that can be accomplished and I thought that was the big barrier that needed millions. I thought I was understanding the proposal to be to start a loan fund at first, to start, and then go to bank later, but not sure that was what I was reading. I need more clarification to more fully understand the plan at this point.

 

Terry

8:26 am
June 3, 2010


rwitty

Guest

I hear what is proposed to be removed from presentation, a good clarification.

 

I'm still not clear on what is included in the program, and at what phases.

 

The pieces that I've heard that are compelling in order of importance are:

 

1. Community controlled loan fund emphasizing socially needed capital availability, rather than strictly profit oriented loaning policies (doesn't require formal regulatory approval, does for FDIC protection for depositors)

2. Checking and common bank services – CD's, passbook (check clearling is expensive to operate and particularly to set up), credit card services. I'm not sure if those are essential services anyway.

3. Local currency and/or LETS account system to encourage intra-regional trade (local, and/or micro-regional and/or macro-regional) If currency is convertible, even at discounted rates, then can also support inter-regional trade. (Supporting profiting bank can sell currency at say .50/dollar equivalent, and agree to buy back at .45, an ideological discussion of whether that comprises a fundamental ideological compromise. I don't think it does.) – Also, does not currently require formal regulatory approval.

LETS systems are a bit problematic as individuals unresolved debt status is often ultimately not resolvable and ends up being paid by the community as a whole, and each in it.

 

I think it is possible to do already, without the hoop of $1,500,000 in capitalization, or the infrastructure of a regulated commercial bank.

 

A loan fund can be set up with a minimum of administrative infrastructure, set up costs, and rainy day capitalization. A local and/or regional currency is similarly relatively inexpensive to set up, though to be secure and convertible, some financial backing needs to be available. (Community controlled administration of local currency policy is dangerous and requires more expertise, care, and continuity of policies than has been done historically.)

 

Its really doable, now.

 

I agree that the organization of the bank and services should be as simple and clear as possible, and presentation should be as free from ideology, metaphysics, organizational complexity as possible.

 

 

7:49 am
June 3, 2010


John G Root Jr

Member

posts 39

Post edited 8:51 am – June 3, 2010 by wspademan


I am happy to get behind any really solid plan that minimizes the pie in the sky response.

I have also been thinking about it the other way round as well.  The S2BE could launch a fund drive to find 10,000 people in the Pioneer Valley who will donate $200 each ($150 for the charter and $50 to fund the drive) and commit to doing all of their banking with the CGB when it opens.  When it opens they commit to buying 80 $10 shares and participate in the democratic process.  CGB will replace their mortgage, home equity, car and other loans, and will be a full service bank from day one!  It will be primarily online banking, but there will be an office everywhere there are 1000 depositors within 2 miles of each other.  If we reach the goal by:  ??/??/1? we will charter the bank, if not we will refund the $150.  The S2BE charters the bank.  This makes it clear that the will for the bank is charitable.  The bank then starts with a 10,000 member depositors association run democratically with the banking assets of that sizable depositors association.  

The pitch:  A democratically controlled bank in the Pioneer Valley would quickly overcome all the problems created by Wall Street.  With absolutely no sacrifice of security or convenience, we can have a democratically controlled bank to develop the Pioneer Valley as we would like to see it develop.  What do you want to see happen here?  We can do it with a Common Good Bank.  And by the way, we know how to create money!

The pie in the sky is now only whether we can get 10,000 people in the course of a year.  We are not targeting low income people.  We are targeting professionals and business owners and their employees who want to do something concrete to stick it to Wall Street.  The materials we present are pitched to professionals.  We start with Amherst and the 5 Colleges.  We get the colleges to commit and we then actually have a basis for the depositors association money creation.

This is just my initial thought.  But I like the sound of it and it accomplishes the same the goals of the way forward you described.

John

 

The Means Assures the End. Do the Good!

6:30 am
June 3, 2010


Mike Morton

Guest

These all sound reasonable to me.

 

One comment on “Remove all informality from public CGB materials”. Let’s not talk corporatese. The world is full of brochures written in a way no normal human talks, with “leveraging” and “impactfulness” and the passive voice used incessantly. When I see communication like this, I think “big, faceless corporation”.

6:01 am
June 3, 2010


Nancy Hazard

Guest

Lots of good hard business decisions. Good work! and Go for it!

11:35 pm
June 2, 2010


Andy Laties

Guest

Yes I agree with the tenor of these recommendations.  I would also say that a stakeholder analysis is in order to try understand what would motivate investment in CGB.

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